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Poster: laptaper Date: May 11, 2006 6:07am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Why change something that was so good and make it so bad?

Okay, after a quick look through the "browse by creator" option, here's my feedback:

1. Change the link to "browse by band", especially if the old link's going to be a relic. To me "creator" meant creator of the recording, not the performer; I'm sure I'm not the only one who was confused by this.

2. I think I see where you're going with this, striving for simplicity and flexibility. Still, I think the following should be defaults when browsing by band/creator:

a. list results in ascending date order, not descending, as is the case now when you click the "sort by date" option.

b. either show links to individual years or have a "show all" option. The way things are now I don't know which link to click on if I want to find GD 5/3/72, e.g.

c. definitely show the source info up front, without forcing us to click on each individual show's link to find out. That is very frustrating.

If these things can be done I think you'll go a long way to once again making this the kickassingest site on the web. Thanks again.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 11, 2006 8:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

1. Change the link to "browse by band", especially if the old link's going to be a relic. To me "creator" meant creator of the recording, not the performer; I'm sure I'm not the only one who was confused by this.

One difficulty is that the "Browse by Creator" link appears designed to be generalized across all collections, including movies, texts, podcast stuff. So "Creator" is probably the best term in the context of the whole site.

a. list results in ascending date order, not descending, as is the case now when you click the "sort by date" option.

You mean rather than the freshest stuff to sort first, you're asking for the oldest stuff to sort first? I'd think that would be the less popular way, whether for LMA folks looking for the most recently played shows (like they always seem to want), or people looking for the latest episodes of vlogs or podcasts in other collections.

b. either show links to individual years or have a "show all" option. The way things are now I don't know which link to click on if I want to find GD 5/3/72, e.g.

Having a better version of "browse by year" appears to be the most popular feature request today.

c. definitely show the source info up front, without forcing us to click on each individual show's link to find out. That is very frustrating.

One difficulty is that the search engine across the whole site is set to show the "description" field for each item, which in case of LMA is where the setlist goes. The source goes into a separate field from that.

I'm not one of the engineers and don't know how changeable some things will be, or all the things that will be tweaked. Just pointing out that some of the aspects of the present style come from the Big Picture of how the entire library is set up right now. It's a kick-butt site that's much bigger than just the LMA! (From readng news reports, I'm guessing Text collections are going to get much huger for instance.)

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-05-11 15:08:39

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Poster: laptaper Date: May 11, 2006 3:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

I'm not talking about the date it was added to the archive but the date of the show, since that's how most people are probably trying to search the shows. Descending or ascending doesn't really matter, I guess, order is the key ingredient here.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: May 11, 2006 9:28pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

There's a "sort by date" option on the righthand side when you get the initial results page, along with a "sort by date added" option. Most recent dates come first in either sorting method.

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Poster: Dancing Salmon Date: May 11, 2006 11:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

There's a "sort by date" option on the righthand side when you get the initial results page, along with a "sort by date added" option. Most recent dates come first in either sorting method.

"sort by date added" -- most recent first is probably best order. As you say, what most who use this option want is to see what's newly available.

"sort by date (of event)" -- at least when considering the LMA as an Archive, normal chronological order, from January to December, would seem more intuitive and comfortable across all archives, not just music.

But best of all, why not give people a choice?
Say click once on "sort by date" and you get the default order, click again and it reverses. Eventually users could even set a personal preference.

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Poster: Dancing Salmon Date: May 12, 2006 12:11am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

[c. definitely show the source info up front, without forcing us to click on each individual show's link to find out. That is very frustrating.]
One difficulty is that the search engine across the whole site is set to show the "description" field for each item, which in case of LMA is where the setlist goes. The source goes into a separate field from that.


I have to agree with the post you reply to here -- after (or maybe even before) the vanishing of the by-year display, the vanishing of the source info in the "thumbnail" search results is the biggest hit. When there are 2, 3 or more recordings of a given concert, you can't distinguish them. For Grateful Dead specifically, the sbd / aud distinction is crucial, since sbds can't be downloaded.

Two possible fixes:
(1) allow more flexibility in which field(s) are displayed in the search results, either set by curators for various collections, or choosable by user. This could be useful for other collections as well.
(2) restructure the LMA database to put the source info in the description field, in addition to or instead of the setlist.

I realize these are big projects, not minor tweaks. But this loss is a big hit.

This post was modified by Dancing Salmon on 2006-05-12 07:10:51

This post was modified by Dancing Salmon on 2006-05-12 07:11:38

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Poster: nagdot Date: May 11, 2006 8:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

speakin of feature request; how bout making the streaming shows gapless ? i use other sites where there are no gaps between songs, its one of the reasons i dont use this site like i should . also speaking of changes ;isnt that why you deadheads still follow a dead band, afraid of change (sorry direwolf i had too lol)speaking of direwolf; im gonna catch you sooner or later go griffey jr and the reds woohoo lmao

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Poster: laptaper Date: May 11, 2006 3:35pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Feature Requests

If the "Browse by creator" link is meant to go across the whole site, not just shows in the LMA, then perhaps it shouldn't be in the "Live Music Archive" section. As I said, it is confusing. And hopefully the DB engineers will be able to figure out some way of displaying the source info, because it does slow down the search - perhaps have an option to display only audiences or only boards??

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